Talk:Meiji Restoration

End of the shogunate: What edict?

There's reference to "the young Emperor's edict" of 3 January. It's unclear what is being referred to here, although I note there is reference elsewhere in this talk page to a 'proclamation' of that date. The Charter Oath seems to be something different as that was in April according to the linked article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SDavies (talk • contribs) 18:06, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Homosexuality

It should be added that though Japan doesn't have any recorded history of criminalizing homosexuality it was during the Meiji Restoration from 1872 to 1880 where homosexuality was briefly criminalized 197.186.3.115 (talk) 21:29, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Shaping of the Modern World

This article is currently the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 27 January 2025 and 21 May 2025. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Lanlux (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Mattor309.

— Assignment last updated by DocBui (talk) 21:20, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Infobox picture

hi all! i'm currently in the process of going through this article systematically when today i noticed that the infobox image was not actually of the event of the restoration itself, but of the promulgation of the meiji constitution in 1889 (an event that isn't even mentioned in the article, though hopefully i'll get to that over the coming weeks). as a result i propose we change the picture to something like the image below. it's good quality and iconic, while being contemporary to the majority of the period of the article. please feel free to discuss or object, i'm also curious if anyone has any knowledge of public domain images that depict the actual 3 january proclamation? even if produced after the event.

Emperor Meiji in 1873

--Plifal (talk) 14:04, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes this is clearly more appropriate, given the date. Go for it. Rollo (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

English variety

hi all, in order to avoid an editing conflict and gain a consensus about the english variety to use i though it would be best to bring it up here rather than risk looking chauvanistic and seeming as if i own the article. when i first started overhauling the article i remember seeing instances of both british and american english (although it might behove someone to check if that was the case). my plan was (and still is) to conduct a pretty comprehensive overhaul of this article and hopefully get it to GA status, which i've paused until may so the wiki ed programme currently using this page isn't given difficulty (it also gives time for other editors to consider and change what they dislike/is inaccurate/doesn't follow the mos concerning my edits). because there was no tag, and i default to using british english, and the majority of the article was thenceforward written using it, i decided to place british english tags on the article to maintain consistency. @69.212.114.107 has since reverted this change informing me that i may be indefblocked ([1]) for doing so, it isn't my intention (or aim!) to be blocked or violate wikipedia's standards; so any comment or guidance is appreciated.--Plifal (talk) 04:29, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

@Plifal I think the IP editor may be making personal attacks, see wp:npa and WP:THREATEN. I will notify IP of discussion. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 04:50, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

@Justjourney, thank you for your intervention! please see the conversation below.--Plifal (talk) 08:44, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

I am not making personal attacks/am trying to deescalate with kindness/ grace in a difficult situation, that didn’t exist from article’s creation (decades ago/desp pagemoves from a literal American title…), til 1 month ago.

The high/difficult yet narrow road is for all of us to “lose” the argument . I have alr reinstated the original=tagless.No tags.(Decadeslong peace from this articles’ literal American articles title(I alr linked the archive merger), til <1 month=decadeslong nonproblematic.)/rv any inappropriate anglicizing “modifications” she made(to preexisting subheaders’ spellings). _____________ Neither of us, are to reinsert tags. This is such a waste of time(for us both)…Let’s be better people, for once. Grace/Chivalry=We are to stop it now/withdraw(both of our edits. It was fine from 2006-2024, decadeslong peace. —I alr did that for us both, thank me later ;D

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junzi

I am merely remarking how easy it is to be banned for randomly changing article format tags across a wide range of articles for literally zero rationale (not even a "written" excuse fro, here etc, she just forcibly/hamfistedly inserts it, apropos of nothing) to waste our time to revert. Enough. Both of us are not going to reinsert stupid time wasting tags (graceful, adult maturity.)

• • (Note:I posted this before noticing his reply/found it too strict/not diplomatic enough, strong apologies, but:

wp:strongties/poststub etc (multiple MOS violations.) .

Not “just” one/onetime,it’s a habit of hers to be corrected because it is wasting my/all other’s time, which is far more disruptive/rude than her initial offense, esp her failure/sheer stubbornness disrespect towards Japan (Which lit uses American for its naval bases, due to Meiji=….lit American President ordered it,ditto for Japan’s right to rearm etc(de facto protectorate due to/desp Ryuku occupation protests.) If the “ministry”/its “naval centers” in question prefer a format, let’s not be rude/disrespectful. (Esp cuz all Japanese private companies/citizens use it,see any Ministey of Education textbook.) Japanese Kanji/script reform lit happened because US occupied/or defeated Japan,by force of arms 1st=Meiji(Perry/Fillmore) 2nd=WW2(Hiroshima…don’t tell me she’s going to vandalize Hiroshima next?? (Speechlessly shocked.)

You can put your time to more productive use, by editing European articles if you’re easily inclined/offended by Americanisms. Asia is not the place for you(Confucianism, insists on 禮讓=defined as “graceful renunciation. Put down=renounce the point=object of contention” ,rather than raise cortisol levels, by arguing.) Which is why all offending tags/edits from me/her have been removed(thus neither of us, have ANY excuse to not, sit back down/remain quiet.) The article shall remain how it was, (last year 2024,tagless.) In fact,most wikiarticles remain (without)tags, thankfully:

https://www.yellowbridge.com/chinese/dictionary.php?word=禮讓&cache=73903&characterMode=t

(The government/private ads etc all uses American in writing/audio,for foreigners in stock reports/bilingual newspapers textbooks etc.) Just like the British colonized Africa, thus neighboring (French) African countries use……… Thus, field experts in Japanese/Asiaj studies are frankly unlike the British you are used to (of say Africa), ex: this article title which you (unilaterally vandalized, even though that is literally….the book’s title) Ditto for any )currently existing Japanese public private facilities, which use American because the Ministry of Defense got banned from rearmament by (your truly…the country of Commodore Perry/Nagasaki+Tokyo bombings(some argue) is genocide—-I hope (she doesn’t vandalize those 2 too……) WP:strongties override but (again, all tags in my/your arguments’ favor) were removed, out of sheer grace. Tagless now.) https://www.routledge.com/An-Economic-History-of-Regional-Industrialization/vanLeeuwen-Philips-Buyst/p/book/9780367561956?srsltid=AfmBOooDn4EUZLtr1Ti6oa8SsDZNG2Q9-_uuUgiudc5j08-QQKkIiwQk

Lastly: British Myanmar/Nepal/Maldives etc wikiarticles for example=British (likewise to Japan=defacto,forcibly defanged/demilitarized protectorate)=American (even though these countries reject any “official” status for English.) It’s easier WP:consistency (less jarring FOR READERS’ sake, to switch back/forth between official names=alr American…since Japan’ navy was lit founded by Americans (during the “Meiji Restoration=this article, alr converts the HOW)/its Ministry of Defense (now) defers to American usage. (incl US forcibly “simplifying Kanji/scripts”—+American is alr used by vast, vast majority worldwide(is, more considerate/lit grammatically easier, systematized spellings etc(which British itself has trouble deciding “Medieval” etc—-ironically many British find their own, abhorrent. ) In that vein this is a pretty good case for using (online American spellcheckers, out of consideration for the world’s behalf.) (PS:Silicon Valley tier/ global tier corporations use……. —Thanks Commodore Perry and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Accord

Joking.  

MOS violations. (1.RuleInventor gets first dibs, see wiki's tags change (rgdless of preexisting)re:Kipling's whiteman's burden(Phil)/cuban crisis/tankie(British word etc.) , inventions again first dibs (sandwich apple pie brick=Egypt.) Egypt's Wikiarticles uses British (desp UK never EVER truly annexing egypt.) De facto, it’s WP:strongties ON TOP OF existing local usage, nonenglish European countries revile American articletags(unless some sort of commercial etc “WP:strongties overrides

In short (TLDR of wp:STRONG ties override): 1.President Fillmore/Perry weren’t British, 2.nor does Japan use British on its (official translations/publications) of, say “naval centers” created by 3.American (Meiji era) naval experts .)Japan primarily trades w US/not UK (British African excolonies) etc/even anime manga etc popculture (EXPORTS)/(reexported) Japanese American “Issei/Nisei” war staff, MacArthur constitution=“banned rearmament” (was lit written by US not UK lawyers!!!!! Here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Japan

uses American by default…..after all the Japanese (usually) emigrated to US, by the millions.

Ghibli’s (beloved!!) “Totoro” for example has an “American” title even in the UK. I hope this helps(for your future reference re: (strong LOCAL usage etc).

2.Ditto, from 1800s til today's occupied bases/ryuku etc a la East Germany) but I'm graceful(so stop pushing my respect,when I'm kind.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.212.114.107 (talk) 06:45, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

@69.212.114.107, i haven't reverted your reverts, but i will note that you reverted more than just the enlish variety. to clarify again, i have no issue with the use of american english, i will continue to use it on this article (pending) and others. my use of a specific variety was to maintain consistency on an (inconsistent) article that i am in the process of overhauling top-to-bottom, which i only imposed due to the extent of my edits, since it wouldn't require me to think about/check american eng spelling. i don't think "strong ties" applies to this article. i do believe you're misinformed on a number of points you raised, and while your summaries may not have been intended as a threat, that's how i took them. in this context i'm not sure what "Pardon my bluntness but you are done" and "This is your last chance" ([2]) are supposed to mean or who it's addressing, but please don't make accusations about me personally. also, please sign your talk page comments :)

--Plifal (talk) 08:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

@Plifal Also remember that IP users don't receive pings, so leave them WP:Talkback messages instead on their talk page. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 13:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

@Justjourney, oh actually i was unaware of this, thank you for informing me. not sure where the discussion goes from here though--Plifal (talk) 13:57, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Deepest apologies for attempting to be diplomatically respectful/empathize, yet strict(in my work.)

The way I see it, you seem to disrespect everyone’s time by 1. constantly/randomly inserting tags sans any (written justification, itself violating MOS best practice), then (reinstating said controversial changes) even as you try to hear others out(ironically shocking+offending/irritating them further), had you remained less confrontational/stubborn. It’s also true that I shouldn’t have lost my magnanimity, when correcting you.

re: not (even bothering to check the actual variety/usages etc(your faults): you self admittedly, made mere subjective conjecture (hypothesis) of which variety you see (esp sans importance: the lede/headers, which readers (first see, esp when “speedread=skimming article summaries”) (has for many long years) alr been American. esp since it was after all, merged from a literal American page title. See this talkpage’s history); In fact. you (alr self admittedly) do not proofread your work (by your own admission; both of which I find unprofessional enough to kindly suggest you (respectfully recuse=abstain, from datetags etc “controversies”) in the future, to more experienced others (who do proofread their work/are more experienced and qualified to do so) instead. That should be more than fair enough to us both. (Ex: It is a violation of MOS to change a sources’ literal title. Yet another “fault”=that you Anglicized(by MOS rules constitutes “vandalism”) (this book’s title. Most Japan+(Asia) experts are American due to. Again, Meiji’s literal inventors=US President Fillmore/Perry), please do not ever. Ever vandalize (source titles) again: https://www.routledge.com/An-Economic-History-of-Regional-Industrialization/vanLeeuwen-Philips-Buyst/p/book/9780367561956?srsltid=AfmBOooDn4EUZLtr1Ti6oa8SsDZNG2Q9-_uuUgiudc5j08-QQKkIiwQk

Again.(If you can’t “be a perfectionist” enough to proofread that, I advise you to kindly recuse yourself from (making controversial changes etc), because it’s quite a discourtesy to others to correct (your repeated/multiple mistakes). If you can’t spell according to either UK/US standards, even in your own comments (sic) “chauvanistic” then please. Please stop placing “unreasonable burdens” on others=being stubborn about article tags(which users in Japan/Japanese topics don’t ever use, thanks to American President Fillmore being responsible for Meiji just like US cuba/UK Myanmar, and these claim are The academic consensus on/offline.) let (American copywriters) do the work for you. Isn’t that what Japanese culture is about?? =1.Deferring/admitting your faults, and 2. never ever stubborn(humble lifelong learner attitude.)

That is (unintentional, assuming goodwill) still, a bannable act of “vandalism.” Just a friendly reminder 

• speaking of wiki’s helpful copywriters, It’s easy (for them) to

to Americanize etc(esp because Japan itself alr uses it, directly due to Meiji/postwar=de facto protectorate just like the Commonwealth’s Maldives etc (McArthur’s constitution/Meiji arming then postwar ban rearmament=strong WP:ties.)

In summary: I have nothing to argue(thankfully), I am merely giving friendly reminders going forwards, so you won’t repeat mistakes (best editing practices=to never randomly inserting tags ever again, esp sans any written edit summaries/proofreading yet making undue/self centered burden upon others

—WP:consistency again, due to Meiji/postwar(Ryuku), most readers/editors/Japan studies’ countries use American on Japan topics, on/offline (WP:consistency with Japan’s translations of its “proper nouns”);Ditto “Europe” whose editors are very, very protective/aggressive about their British preferences (for themselves.) WP:poststub explicitly overrides (Meiji’s literal article title prePagmove is lit American), as is the Meiji era (even now, decades later!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.212.114.107 (talk) 19:09, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

my goodness. i really do think you're blowing this out of proportion. i don't have a problem with mistakes (you correctly point out that i make many) but it's not that i don't try or don't proofread—i just write a lot. personally, i believe your time would be better spent improving the encyclopædia than spending hours arguing this point...--Plifal (talk) 23:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)